Will Muslims make Good Americans?

[Budo]

I just got this e-mail today and it's FUCKING IDIOTIC. I wonder if Pat Robertson wrote it....


CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS? This is
> certainly 'food-for-thought'.
>
>
>
> This is very interesting and we all need to
> read it from start to finish
>
> And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is
> why our American Muslims are
>
> So quiet and not speaking out about any
> atrocities. Can a good Muslim be
>
> A good American?
>
>
>
> This question was forwarded to a friend who
> worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
>
> The following is his reply:
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> Theologically - no. . . . Because his
> allegiance is to Allah, The moon
> God of Arabia.
>
>
>
> Religiously - no.. . . Because no other
> religion is accepted by His Allah
>
> Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
>
>
>
> scripturally - no. . . Because his
> allegiance is to the five Pillars of
> Islam and the Quran.
>
>
>
> Geographically - no . Because his allegiance
> is to Mecca, to which he
> Turns in prayer five times a day.
>
>
>
> Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to
> Islam forbids him to make
> Friends with Christians or Jews .
>
>
>
> Politically - no.. . . Because he must
> submit to the mullahs (spiritual
> Leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel
> and destruction of America,
> The great Satan.
>
>
>
> Domestically - no. .. . Because he is
> instructed to marry four Women and
> Beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys
> him (Quran 4:34 )
>
>
>
> Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot
> accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical
> principles and he believes the
> Bible to be corrupt.
>
>
>
> Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam,
> Muhammad, and the Quran does
> Not allow freedom of religion and
> expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
> Co-exist. Every Muslim government is either
> dictatorial or autocratic.
>
>
>
> Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we
> declare 'one nation under God,'
> The Christian's God is loving and kind,
> while Allah is NEVER referred to
> As Heavenly father, nor is he ever called
> love in the Quran's 99
>
> Excellent names.
>
>
>
> Therefore, after much study and
> deliberation.... Perhaps we should be
>
> Very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this
> country. - - - They obviously
>
> Cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good
> Americans. Call it what you wish
>
> it's still the truth. You had better believe
> it. The more who understand
>
> This, the better it will be for our country
> and our future.
>
>
>
> The religious war is bigger than we know or
> understand. ....
>
>
>
> Footnote: The Muslims have said they will
> destroy us from within.
>
> SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
>
>
>
> THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE
> U.S.

To whoever wrote this idiotic e-mail, Fuck you and fuck your bigotry.

[ShnikeJSB]

My dad constantly forwards me emails like this... :laugh:

There IS some truth to it, though. As with everything, there are extremists. But it's WAY too general and unfair. It's like saying that all Christians take a switch to beat their kids when they are disobedient, and think that stoning people is OK -- because it is in the Bible.

[Budo]

My dad constantly forwards me emails like this... :laugh:

There IS some truth to it, though. As with everything, there are extremists. But it's WAY too general and unfair. It's like saying that all Christians take a switch to beat their kids when they are disobedient, and think that stoning people is OK -- because it is in the Bible.

There is some truth to it?

Which ones are true if I may ask?

[Marko]

There IS some truth to it, though. As with everything, there are extremists. But it's WAY too general and unfair.

The most dangerous statements are the ones with a grain of truth in them, enough to arouse emotion in others.

[Marko]

There is some truth to it?

Which ones are true if I may ask?

The truth hinges largely on the interpretation of the word allegiance. If we take allegiance conceptually in our interpretation of it - the interpretation that most people use it is a citizens loyalto to their leader but it can allso mean devotion which is probably a better way of framing it. If interpreted as devotion or attachment it waters down the strength of the interpretation.

You're right most of it is just hateful bunk though.

[Brian675]

My dad constantly forwards me emails like this... :laugh:

There IS some truth to it, though. As with everything, there are extremists. But it's WAY too general and unfair. It's like saying that all Christians take a switch to beat their kids when they are disobedient, and think that stoning people is OK -- because it is in the Bible.


There is some truth to it?

Which ones are true if I may ask?
Josh beat me to it. The truth would refer to radical/extremists/terrorists.

[Budo]

The truth is in order to be a good American no allegiance to any religious or higher entity is required. Last I checked the US wasn't a theocracy.

[Marko]

The truth is in order to be a good American no allegiance to any religious or higher entity is required. Last I checked the US wasn't a theocracy.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Gotcha :grin:

[Budo]

Article 6th of the US constitution (3rd paragraph)


no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Not to mention a thing called the first amendment


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

[ShnikeJSB]

This is one of those threads that might en up being locked, LOL! Bottom line: ANYONE can be a "good American", as long as they are willing to do what's best for the country and the other people in it, and not plan on destroying both (as would radical/extremists of pretty much ANY religion). It seems to me that those types of people are not happy until the entire world is converted to their beliefs and are "dominated". I am not against religion in the slightest -- as I am a moderate and sensible non-denominational Christian -- but I AM against the ones who go so far as to kill innocents for their god(s). If someone doesn't believe what you believe, that doesn't mean they should die for it... Live and let live.

It was wrong during Roman times, it was wrong during the Inquisition, it was wrong during the Crusades, and it is wrong now with the Jihadists (as it has always been -- since the Crusades were in part a response to the Islamic Jihadists of the time). No one should be killed based solely off their religion. If you genuinely believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and don't mean harm to anyone, I could care less -- good for you. But the minute you start murdering innocent people and babies because the aforementioned flying spaghetti monster "commanded" that you do so, you no longer have the interests of the general populace and country in mind -- this no longer being a "good American".

[Budo]

This is one of those threads that might en up being locked, LOL! Bottom line: ANYONE can be a "good American", as long as they are willing to do what's best for the country and the other people in it, and not plan on destroying both (as would radical/extremists of pretty much ANY religion). It seems to me that those types of people are not happy until the entire world is converted to their beliefs and are "dominated". I am not against religion in the slightest -- as I am a moderate and sensible non-denominational Christian -- but I AM against the ones who go so far as to kill innocents for their god(s). If someone doesn't believe what you believe, that doesn't mean they should die for it... Live and let live.

It was wrong during Roman times, it was wrong during the Inquisition, it was wrong during the Crusades, and it is wrong now with the Jihadists (as it has always been -- since the Crusades were in part a response to the Islamic Jihadists of the time). No one should be killed based solely off their religion. If you genuinely believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and don't mean harm to anyone, I could care less -- good for you. But the minute you start murdering innocent people and babies because the aforementioned flying spaghetti monster "commanded" that you do so, you no longer have the interests of the general populace and country in mind -- this no longer being a "good American".

I agree.

Threads here won't need to be locked, because when I say FUCK YOU JOSH... you'll know I'm kidding.

The only time I'm serious is when I call you a DOUCHE... like when I call Noles a DOUCHE.


Which even though I said I was serious... you and everybody else know that I'm not. It's the fact that we all know each other, and each other's personality that makes it easy for us to communicate most of the time. Sometimes you act like a douche and it's not so easy :P

[ShnikeJSB]

LOL! True dat. :thumbup: